Comments on: Bertie urges us all to commit suicide http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/ Rambles around the head of an Irish Grandad Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:20:49 +0000 hourly 1 By: the bogosphere snapshot on July 6th 2007 at Holy Shmoly! http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3494 the bogosphere snapshot on July 6th 2007 at Holy Shmoly! Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:14:16 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3494 [...] The Swearing Lady and Grandad comment on our prime minister’s suggestion that the naysayers should commit suicide. Bloody [...] [...] The Swearing Lady and Grandad comment on our prime minister’s suggestion that the naysayers should commit suicide. Bloody [...]

]]> By: Grandad http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3493 Grandad Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:22:14 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3493 But I.. That is to say.. I Mean.. It's j j j just a c c coincidence. But I.. That is to say.. I Mean.. It’s j j j just a c c coincidence.

]]> By: peckerhead http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3492 peckerhead Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:13:02 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3492 Hmmm. I see he just got away with getting that 'cribbing, moaning' so-and-so VB fired from RTÉ. For shame. Hmmm. I see he just got away with getting that ‘cribbing, moaning’ so-and-so VB fired from RTÉ. For shame.

]]> By: b3n http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3491 b3n Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:09:42 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3491 Bertie really thinks he can get away with anything now and why wouldn't he? Even with all the scandals just before the election, the Teflon Taoiseach managed to get back in and sure enough, not a month after the election, it's more scandals. If this was France, there'd be cars burning on the streets and all air traffic would be grounded, but we Irish..... nah we'll just complain and make do. It's the Irish way. I'm sure Paddy Pearse and the boys are turning in their graves. Bertie really thinks he can get away with anything now and why wouldn’t he? Even with all the scandals just before the election, the Teflon Taoiseach managed to get back in and sure enough, not a month after the election, it’s more scandals. If this was France, there’d be cars burning on the streets and all air traffic would be grounded, but we Irish….. nah we’ll just complain and make do. It’s the Irish way. I’m sure Paddy Pearse and the boys are turning in their graves.

]]> By: Grandad http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3479 Grandad Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:03:20 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3479 OK. Granted he didn't actually exhort anyone to commit suicide. However... Suicide is a very serious problem in Ireland. It is the <a href = "http://www.youth.ie/what_s_new/spunout_launches_tough_times_campaign" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">number one cause of death in the 15 to 25 age group</a>. It is probably the most traumatic thing that can happen to any family. Yet our dear leader chooses to make it the subject of a glib aside in a speech. He got carried away and tried to be funny. This wasn't a conversation between mates in a pub. This was a major speech which was being broadcast on radio and television, being given by our political leader - the man who represents the Irish Nation at home and abroad. He had a prepared speech which he should have stuck to. He hasn't the intellectual ability to speak off the cuff. The suicide comment apart, that quote in my post doesn't really make sense anyway. As Baino says "It’s a politicians job to be articulate". The only good thing to come out of this is that the storm of protest over the speech has totally negated the speech itself. He should have stayed in the pub where he belongs. OK. Granted he didn’t actually exhort anyone to commit suicide.

However…

Suicide is a very serious problem in Ireland. It is the number one cause of death in the 15 to 25 age group. It is probably the most traumatic thing that can happen to any family.

Yet our dear leader chooses to make it the subject of a glib aside in a speech. He got carried away and tried to be funny.

This wasn’t a conversation between mates in a pub. This was a major speech which was being broadcast on radio and television, being given by our political leader – the man who represents the Irish Nation at home and abroad.

He had a prepared speech which he should have stuck to. He hasn’t the intellectual ability to speak off the cuff. The suicide comment apart, that quote in my post doesn’t really make sense anyway.

As Baino says “It’s a politicians job to be articulate”.

The only good thing to come out of this is that the storm of protest over the speech has totally negated the speech itself.

He should have stayed in the pub where he belongs.

]]> By: Brianf http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3488 Brianf Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:57:37 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3488 I don't mean to belabor this subject but I just went back and reread the original post and all the comments. I can only speak to what I have read here but nowhere am I able to gleen that he was saying or even insunuating that, "people with beliefs contrary to his should kill themselves". What I got out of the quote was that he was saying that he doesn't understand why folks don't get more involved. Again, not very well put but that's what I got out of it. I don’t mean to belabor this subject but I just went back and reread the original post and all the comments.
I can only speak to what I have read here but nowhere am I able to gleen that he was saying or even insunuating that, “people with beliefs contrary to his should kill themselves”.
What I got out of the quote was that he was saying that he doesn’t understand why folks don’t get more involved.
Again, not very well put but that’s what I got out of it.

]]> By: Brianf http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3490 Brianf Thu, 05 Jul 2007 06:45:31 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3490 I'll say again I think he couched his statement in very poor terms. Getting off our asses and doing something it about can take many forms. We don't have to grease the wheels of corruption with cash to help change minds. Merely telling someone why I don't like a particular politician and being well informed enough to speak intellegently on the subject goes a long way. If one person in all the eight years our gov't was hijacked by the criminal element called the Clintons saw my bumper stickers and went and looked into why and what it was then it was worth it. We don't have to go out campaigning or volunteering our time and energies to make a difference. I make a difference by staying well informed and vocal. You vote so you have every right in the world to bitch and complain as much and as loudly as you want to! One thing that really gets up my nose is the person who doesn't vote and complains loudly. Suicide is a very serious issue and I agree with you that it is not something that should be thrown around especially by a leader of a country. I’ll say again I think he couched his statement in very poor terms.
Getting off our asses and doing something it about can take many forms. We don’t have to grease the wheels of corruption with cash to help change minds. Merely telling someone why I don’t like a particular politician and being well informed enough to speak intellegently on the subject goes a long way. If one person in all the eight years our gov’t was hijacked by the criminal element called the Clintons saw my bumper stickers and went and looked into why and what it was then it was worth it.
We don’t have to go out campaigning or volunteering our time and energies to make a difference. I make a difference by staying well informed and vocal.
You vote so you have every right in the world to bitch and complain as much and as loudly as you want to! One thing that really gets up my nose is the person who doesn’t vote and complains loudly.
Suicide is a very serious issue and I agree with you that it is not something that should be thrown around especially by a leader of a country.

]]> By: roosta http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3484 roosta Wed, 04 Jul 2007 21:37:42 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3484 To be fair, it was a silly comment, but he didn't advise/urge/or display any want for anyone to commit suicide. he said he didn't "know how they didn't" Noone was advised to do anything. To be fair, it was a silly comment, but he didn’t advise/urge/or display any want for anyone to commit suicide. he said he didn’t “know how they didn’t”

Noone was advised to do anything.

]]> By: baino http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3482 baino Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:45:28 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3482 I don't know anything about him but I think your expletive was warranted Grandad. He sounds like fool of he highest order and those who voted for him probably are too. It's a politicians job to be articulate and I have no time for those who don't choose their words carefully their job is to 'woo' over the population not alienate it. Their our bloody representatives, not a law unto themselves. Arrogant shits. I don’t know anything about him but I think your expletive was warranted Grandad. He sounds like fool of he highest order and those who voted for him probably are too. It’s a politicians job to be articulate and I have no time for those who don’t choose their words carefully their job is to ‘woo’ over the population not alienate it. Their our bloody representatives, not a law unto themselves. Arrogant shits.

]]> By: Grandad http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/comment-page-1/#comment-3481 Grandad Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:37:33 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2007/07/04/bertie-urges-us-all-to-commit-suicide/#comment-3481 Hold on there, Brianf. Not all of us are in a position to 'do something about it' except to complain. I voted in the last election, as is my right, and that also gives me the right to criticise a politician if I so wish. We have freedom of speech, and the right to use that freedom. I have the right to express my dissatisfaction with the way things are being done. What am I supposed to do about it except complain? Frankly, bumper stickers are about as much use as a fart in a gale. But because I am not a captain of industry or haven't bunged Suicide Bertie a few thousand, I'm supposed to stick my head in the oven? He could have used some naff expression like 'put up, or shut up' and that would have been nearer the mark. But he suggests that people with beliefs contrary to his should kill themselves?? You cannot possibly condone that in any shape form or fashion? Suicide is an extremely serious issue. It is not a topic that should be thrown into a speech as a glib smart-arsed remark. Especially by the leader of a country. His apology after [even <em>he</em> knew he had gaffed] was just as bad. It was barely intelligible with the usual stuttering and stammering, be he laughed the whole way through it. Don't forget - there was another leader a while ago that thought the gas ovens were a good idea for dissenters. Hold on there, Brianf.

Not all of us are in a position to ‘do something about it’ except to complain. I voted in the last election, as is my right, and that also gives me the right to criticise a politician if I so wish. We have freedom of speech, and the right to use that freedom.

I have the right to express my dissatisfaction with the way things are being done. What am I supposed to do about it except complain? Frankly, bumper stickers are about as much use as a fart in a gale.

But because I am not a captain of industry or haven’t bunged Suicide Bertie a few thousand, I’m supposed to stick my head in the oven?

He could have used some naff expression like ‘put up, or shut up’ and that would have been nearer the mark. But he suggests that people with beliefs contrary to his should kill themselves?? You cannot possibly condone that in any shape form or fashion?

Suicide is an extremely serious issue. It is not a topic that should be thrown into a speech as a glib smart-arsed remark. Especially by the leader of a country.

His apology after [even he knew he had gaffed] was just as bad. It was barely intelligible with the usual stuttering and stammering, be he laughed the whole way through it.

Don’t forget – there was another leader a while ago that thought the gas ovens were a good idea for dissenters.

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