Comments on: The Catholic Church in Ireland http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/ Rambles around the head of an Irish Grandad Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:20:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Bock the Robber http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-19007 Bock the Robber Fri, 29 May 2009 22:17:09 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-19007 The Redress Board was never about redress. It was about protecting the abusers. The Redress Board was never about redress. It was about protecting the abusers.

]]> By: King Bob http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-19006 King Bob Thu, 28 May 2009 14:30:19 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-19006 The only thing likely to give are Harney's stomach staples The only thing likely to give are Harney’s stomach staples

]]> By: Grandad http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-19005 Grandad Thu, 28 May 2009 14:08:16 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-19005 I see the pressure is mounting. Mary McAleese is now calling on the orders to hand over the perpetrators. Something has to give soon. I see the pressure is mounting. Mary McAleese is now calling on the orders to hand over the perpetrators. Something has to give soon.

]]> By: King Bob http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-19004 King Bob Thu, 28 May 2009 12:38:46 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-19004 I saw today the Irish Government (ever quick off the mark) have asked the church to declare it's assets. Thats going to be a revelation as the only thing registerred to them directly is probably a small potting shed in Cavan. Its going to take a great deal more intelligence than this government possesses to track down the ownership of assets of the catholic church in Ireland. I saw today the Irish Government (ever quick off the mark) have asked the church to declare it’s assets. Thats going to be a revelation as the only thing registerred to them directly is probably a small potting shed in Cavan. Its going to take a great deal more intelligence than this government possesses to track down the ownership of assets of the catholic church in Ireland.

]]> By: He came along the following morning and put holy communion in my mouth | Joe Scanlon http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-19003 He came along the following morning and put holy communion in my mouth | Joe Scanlon Thu, 28 May 2009 11:18:12 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-19003 [...] Bock Ryan Report — Artane, The Christian Brothers’ Gulag Gavin Michael Woods - resign Grandad The Catholic Church in Ireland Stephen Micheal Woods - “In the Name of God, Go” Niall The Most Powerful TV I Have Ever Seen [...] [...] Bock Ryan Report — Artane, The Christian Brothers’ Gulag Gavin Michael Woods – resign Grandad The Catholic Church in Ireland Stephen Micheal Woods – “In the Name of God, Go” Niall The Most Powerful TV I Have Ever Seen [...]

]]> By: Ronan D http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-19002 Ronan D Thu, 28 May 2009 09:08:28 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-19002 The bottom line is that the church is guilty of knowing that these crimes were taking place and is refusing to accept full and unambiguous responsibility for fear that they would be made bankrupt. If the church in Ireland can't compensate victims then the Vatican should do so. Enough is enough, too many lives have been ruined by an organisation that is supposed to act as the moral guardians of the people. Please join this group: http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=89076715987&ref=mf The bottom line is that the church is guilty of knowing that these crimes were taking place and is refusing to accept full and unambiguous responsibility for fear that they would be made bankrupt. If the church in Ireland can’t compensate victims then the Vatican should do so. Enough is enough, too many lives have been ruined by an organisation that is supposed to act as the moral guardians of the people.

Please join this group:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=89076715987&ref=mf

]]> By: Maxi Cane http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-19001 Maxi Cane Thu, 28 May 2009 00:16:02 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-19001 Nothing can make up for what this man and thousands of others, and their families have to live with on a daily basis. Money, apologies, the shut down of "religious orders", nothing. A government that allowed this to happen failed it's people. A government that hides behind a questionable legal document instead of trying to right the past wrongs fails itself. We don't live in a democracy, we live in a land ruled by money, corrupt power, secrecy and greed. The religious orders hold all four, in my mind the government is scared of what the orders can do with what they have and are afraid to challenge them. Why else would a government ask instead of demand that they do more? Nothing can make up for what this man and thousands of others, and their families have to live with on a daily basis. Money, apologies, the shut down of “religious orders”, nothing.

A government that allowed this to happen failed it’s people. A government that hides behind a questionable legal document instead of trying to right the past wrongs fails itself.

We don’t live in a democracy, we live in a land ruled by money, corrupt power, secrecy and greed. The religious orders hold all four, in my mind the government is scared of what the orders can do with what they have and are afraid to challenge them.

Why else would a government ask instead of demand that they do more?

]]> By: John O http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-19000 John O Thu, 28 May 2009 00:06:03 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-19000 At least in your country you are trying to rectify the past crimes (at present not in a way that is fair and just), but you are trying and the majority of Irish citizens are concerned about the "solution". Here in the "USA" there isn't even a conversation and no one really cares about the victims and what should be done for them and their families. My heart still hurts and always will! At least in your country you are trying to rectify the past crimes (at present not in a way that is fair and just), but you are trying and the majority of Irish citizens are concerned about the “solution”. Here in the “USA” there isn’t even a conversation and no one really cares about the victims and what should be done for them and their families. My heart still hurts and always will!

]]> By: King's Bard http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-18999 King's Bard Wed, 27 May 2009 18:17:04 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-18999 It was revealing to hear Dempsey talking about the fact that even though there was no legal means of getting more money from the religious communities that they had maybe a moral duty. This from a Government and a Party that has long ago lost its moral compass. What would they know about moral duty. God help us... It was revealing to hear Dempsey talking about the fact that even though there was no legal means of getting more money from the religious communities that they had maybe a moral duty. This from a Government and a Party that has long ago lost its moral compass. What would they know about moral duty. God help us…

]]> By: sandyd33 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/comment-page-1/#comment-18998 sandyd33 Wed, 27 May 2009 17:27:50 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/05/27/the-catholic-church-in-ireland/#comment-18998 What a brave man, my heart bleeds for all of those children who had a horrific time under the 'care' of the church. There are members of my own family affected by this and it wasn't just the Priests or Christian brothers, the Nuns played their part too. In the words of all priests 'the truth outs itself'!! It would be cheaper for the Catholic Church and the government to sort this openly and honestly and I don't mean for monetary purposes! I understand you can't paint all people with the same brush in this 'regime', but it's a swelling balloon that's gonna pop at some point and so they best come forward and make these people face upto their disgraceful actions. Otherwise the church condoning this will be just as bad as the abusers and they could pay the ultimate price in loosing generations of believers. Could it bring the Vatican 'to it's knees' and not just to pray for forgiveness? The Irish government need to stand up and be a government the people can for once in a long time be proud of and show that the church hasn't got them by the balls! What other country predominantly Catholic or not is going to knock Ireland for this, if anything we will be forever fools not to bring it all out in the open. How many other countries children are being abused whilst we play cover up! In twenty years we want their suffering on our hands too? It's not on and time to do the work they told us God wanted us to do and stop this! What a brave man, my heart bleeds for all of those children who had a horrific time under the ‘care’ of the church. There are members of my own family affected by this and it wasn’t just the Priests or Christian brothers, the Nuns played their part too.
In the words of all priests ‘the truth outs itself’!! It would be cheaper for the Catholic Church and the government to sort this openly and honestly and I don’t mean for monetary purposes!
I understand you can’t paint all people with the same brush in this ‘regime’, but it’s a swelling balloon that’s gonna pop at some point and so they best come forward and make these people face upto their disgraceful actions. Otherwise the church condoning this will be just as bad as the abusers and they could pay the ultimate price in loosing generations of believers. Could it bring the Vatican ‘to it’s knees’ and not just to pray for forgiveness?
The Irish government need to stand up and be a government the people can for once in a long time be proud of and show that the church hasn’t got them by the balls!
What other country predominantly Catholic or not is going to knock Ireland for this, if anything we will be forever fools not to bring it all out in the open. How many other countries children are being abused whilst we play cover up! In twenty years we want their suffering on our hands too? It’s not on and time to do the work they told us God wanted us to do and stop this!

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