Comments on: Grandads thoughts on the Dublin Diocesan Report http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/ Rambles around the head of an Irish Grandad Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:20:49 +0000 hourly 1 By: Grandad http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21636 Grandad Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:08:58 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21636 <p>K8 - Let's castrate 'em as well.  The tattoo is a great idea.  I might even grow to approve of tattoos?</p> K8 – Let’s castrate ‘em as well.  The tattoo is a great idea.  I might even grow to approve of tattoos?

]]> By: K8 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21634 K8 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:23:02 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21634 I read that as:  "to <strong><em>castrate</em></strong> the authorities, and in particular the Gardai" at first. I reckon those named and their bishops in turn should have tattoos on their foreheads to describe their crime... even a shopping trip to buy baked beans would be a nightmare for them.  Nothing like a bit of branding! I read that as:  “to castrate the authorities, and in particular the Gardai” at first.
I reckon those named and their bishops in turn should have tattoos on their foreheads to describe their crime… even a shopping trip to buy baked beans would be a nightmare for them.  Nothing like a bit of branding!

]]> By: Grandad http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21591 Grandad Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:06:58 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21591 <p>Kirk M - My apologies.  I forgot that fucking / thing.  It's fixed now, and thanks for pointing it out.</p> Kirk M – My apologies.  I forgot that fucking / thing.  It’s fixed now, and thanks for pointing it out.

]]> By: Kirk M http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21589 Kirk M Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:57:44 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21589 The links to both reports are giving me a "not found" page.  Take a look at the links' URL's and I'm sure you'll spot what's wrong. Just thought you'd like to know (I found them anyway). The links to both reports are giving me a “not found” page.  Take a look at the links’ URL’s and I’m sure you’ll spot what’s wrong. Just thought you’d like to know (I found them anyway).

]]> By: Grandad http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21587 Grandad Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:36:08 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21587 <p>Paulo1 - Either will do.  ;)</p> Paulo1 – Either will do.  ;)

]]> By: Grandad http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21586 Grandad Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:35:04 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21586 <p>TT - You may have a point, though I don't know if I would denounce <em>all</em> religions as evil institutions.  Of course, if you give enough people enough power you are going to have corruption, and seeing as the Catholic Church is one of the largest, it is inevitably going to be one of [if not <em>the</em>] worst.  Half a century ago, it was considered a singular badge of honor to have one or more of your children in the Church, so many boys were packed off to seminaries when they were barely in their teens.  As a result, they grew up in a male dominated misogynistic world, so it's no wonder they ended up as fucked up as they did.</p> <p>Sean - I am not saying that anyone should get away with anything.  I am merely pointing out that times were different Back Then, which goes some way to understanding why the authorities colluded with the church.  In my book, I would be happy to see the lot of them cast into a dungeon and forgotten, with the exception of the offending priests, who should be castrated with rusty shears and no anesthetic.  I think it's a bit of a sweeping statement to say we <em>all</em> knew what was going on.  We may have had some suspicions, but what were we supposed to do about them?  In hindsight, we did fail the Survivors, but I can't see exactly what could have been done at the time.</p> <p>Paulo1 - What you are describing is the effects of the brainwashing.  None of us wants to whistle past the graveyard?  Having said that, I have no problem in denouncing the Catholic Hierarchy and saying that I sincerely hope they all burn in their respective hells.</p> TT – You may have a point, though I don’t know if I would denounce all religions as evil institutions.  Of course, if you give enough people enough power you are going to have corruption, and seeing as the Catholic Church is one of the largest, it is inevitably going to be one of [if not the] worst.  Half a century ago, it was considered a singular badge of honor to have one or more of your children in the Church, so many boys were packed off to seminaries when they were barely in their teens.  As a result, they grew up in a male dominated misogynistic world, so it’s no wonder they ended up as fucked up as they did.

Sean – I am not saying that anyone should get away with anything.  I am merely pointing out that times were different Back Then, which goes some way to understanding why the authorities colluded with the church.  In my book, I would be happy to see the lot of them cast into a dungeon and forgotten, with the exception of the offending priests, who should be castrated with rusty shears and no anesthetic.  I think it’s a bit of a sweeping statement to say we all knew what was going on.  We may have had some suspicions, but what were we supposed to do about them?  In hindsight, we did fail the Survivors, but I can’t see exactly what could have been done at the time.

Paulo1 – What you are describing is the effects of the brainwashing.  None of us wants to whistle past the graveyard?  Having said that, I have no problem in denouncing the Catholic Hierarchy and saying that I sincerely hope they all burn in their respective hells.

]]> By: paulo1 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21585 paulo1 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:26:55 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21585 I meant of course introspection. I meant of course introspection.

]]> By: paulo1 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21584 paulo1 Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:02:49 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21584 My uncle is a priest and so far as I know he's  a good man and a good priest and I was brought up a god fearing Irish Catholic lad. Somewhere between lad and man I lost all respect for the Catholic church or indeed any organised religion simply because of the incredibly venal people who run them. So, question, " why do I still get a chill down the back of my neck when in a quiet moment of retrospection I denounce them and all their blasphemous works?" My uncle is a priest and so far as I know he’s  a good man and a good priest and I was brought up a god fearing Irish Catholic lad. Somewhere between lad and man I lost all respect for the Catholic church or indeed any organised religion simply because of the incredibly venal people who run them. So, question, ” why do I still get a chill down the back of my neck when in a quiet moment of retrospection I denounce them and all their blasphemous works?”

]]> By: Sean http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21583 Sean Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:49:36 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21583 I honestly think the church has to go. At the very least it should be kicked out of schools, hospitals and orphanages and its lands should be confiscated to address the compensation of those abused children. As for those good priests, they were part of an inherently corrupt organisation and if they didn't directly know what was going on they had plenty of opportunity to inform themselves. You're right that the church ruled this country for decades but it could only do that with the permission of our elected politicians and Fianna Fail were in power for most of that period. And as for the cops, it shouldn't have mattered what sort of power the church had, they were supposed to be protecting us not the hierarchy. Having said that, I don't think wider society should be spared. We (I grew up in the 70s) all knew what was going on and turned a blind eye as we were just grateful it wasn't happening to us. If you're interested here is my take on it - http://kickoutthejams.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/altar-ed-state/ I honestly think the church has to go. At the very least it should be kicked out of schools, hospitals and orphanages and its lands should be confiscated to address the compensation of those abused children. As for those good priests, they were part of an inherently corrupt organisation and if they didn’t directly know what was going on they had plenty of opportunity to inform themselves.
You’re right that the church ruled this country for decades but it could only do that with the permission of our elected politicians and Fianna Fail were in power for most of that period. And as for the cops, it shouldn’t have mattered what sort of power the church had, they were supposed to be protecting us not the hierarchy. Having said that, I don’t think wider society should be spared. We (I grew up in the 70s) all knew what was going on and turned a blind eye as we were just grateful it wasn’t happening to us.
If you’re interested here is my take on it – http://kickoutthejams.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/altar-ed-state/

]]> By: tt http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/comment-page-1/#comment-21582 tt Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:25:38 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/11/27/grandads-thoughts-on-the-dublin-diocesan-report/#comment-21582 My view is that religions are inherently evil institutions. Fear of the unknown is morphed into a means of controlling people for gain of one sort or another. So why would anybody be surprised at the type of people who enlist in it's officer class. My view is that religions are inherently evil institutions. Fear of the unknown is morphed into a means of controlling people for gain of one sort or another. So why would anybody be surprised at the type of people who enlist in it’s officer class.

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