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		<title>By: Grandad</title>
		<link>http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/01/the-horrors-of-passive-drinking/comment-page-1/#comment-21645</link>
		<dc:creator>Grandad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shut up, Arhonda!  You&#039;ll be giving them ideas.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shut up, Arhonda!  You&#8217;ll be giving them ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Arhonda Bend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arhonda Bend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should just ban sex.  Another few years and it&#039;ll have solved the whole (no pun intended) problem altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should just ban sex.  Another few years and it&#8217;ll have solved the whole (no pun intended) problem altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Grandad</title>
		<link>http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/01/the-horrors-of-passive-drinking/comment-page-1/#comment-21643</link>
		<dc:creator>Grandad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ian - That wasn&#039;t booze; that was anti-freeze.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not Twitter - Australia.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian &#8211; That wasn&#8217;t booze; that was anti-freeze.</p>
<p>Not Twitter &#8211; Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: not twitter</title>
		<link>http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/01/the-horrors-of-passive-drinking/comment-page-1/#comment-21642</link>
		<dc:creator>not twitter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve often considered myself a victim of passive barbecuing. Where do I sign up to claim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often considered myself a victim of passive barbecuing. Where do I sign up to claim?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grandad,
Jimbo says booze isn&#039;t blue, but I have seen liquid produced in a farmhouse shed on dark November nights that definitely had a bluish tinge to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grandad,<br />
Jimbo says booze isn&#8217;t blue, but I have seen liquid produced in a farmhouse shed on dark November nights that definitely had a bluish tinge to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Grandad</title>
		<link>http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/01/the-horrors-of-passive-drinking/comment-page-1/#comment-21640</link>
		<dc:creator>Grandad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cap&#039;n - Our local paper is full every week of court cases where the defense of drug addiction or alcoholism is used as a mitigating factor.  If I were a judge, I would increase the sentence!  What ails modern society, and in particular the youth, is the philosophy of trying to get drunk as quickly as possible.  Saturday night isn&#039;t Saturday night unless you get so hammered that you pass out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It still doesn&#039;t explain why there is such an obsession to ban tobacco though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jim C - If they ever try to outlaw tobacco there are always alternatives.  Home cured leaves heavily laced with home grown &quot;herbal additives&quot;!  ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cap&#8217;n &#8211; Our local paper is full every week of court cases where the defense of drug addiction or alcoholism is used as a mitigating factor.  If I were a judge, I would increase the sentence!  What ails modern society, and in particular the youth, is the philosophy of trying to get drunk as quickly as possible.  Saturday night isn&#8217;t Saturday night unless you get so hammered that you pass out.</p>
<p>It still doesn&#8217;t explain why there is such an obsession to ban tobacco though.</p>
<p>Jim C &#8211; If they ever try to outlaw tobacco there are always alternatives.  Home cured leaves heavily laced with home grown &#8220;herbal additives&#8221;!  <img src='http://www.headrambles.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the USA we tried outlawing alcohol back in days of prohibition. However they ran into a problem, it is fairly easy to make alcohol.
Still Once they finally do outlaw tobacco, I am sure they will try once again to outlaw Alcohol, gambling, and every other non government approved activity.  After all out leaders are so much smart then us it is only right for them to control our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the USA we tried outlawing alcohol back in days of prohibition. However they ran into a problem, it is fairly easy to make alcohol.<br />
Still Once they finally do outlaw tobacco, I am sure they will try once again to outlaw Alcohol, gambling, and every other non government approved activity.  After all out leaders are so much smart then us it is only right for them to control our lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Con</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cap'n Con</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear what you are saying Grandad and I agree of course that alcohol releases inhibitions and people do stupid things they would never normally do. 

I recall reading newspaper reports of court cases when I was growing up where a defendant could plead he was drunk and got lighter treatment because of it. The logic behind that always escaped me as it still means that someone old enough to drink actually got so drunk their normal commonsense left them- that still leaves the responsibility with the defendant in my book.

I&#039;m just aware that with tabloid hysteria allied to the push we&#039;ve spoken about before from the &#039;nanny knows best&#039; organisations in our society we could end up with a repressive mullah-like system instead of just punishing the offender we end up punishing the people who DON&#039;T cause trouble.

Some years ago my favourite bunch of non-governmental puritans came up with the &#039;passive drinking&#039; phrase to describe family members of someone who drank- not necessarily to excess either.

There is a point at which these public policy debates become quite ludicrous- and substance abuse is one area where you get the disguised Puritans involved very quickly.

I&#039;ll give you an example- in the 90&#039;s a small religious based NGO in Bristol in the UK surveyed one of the worst sink estates in Britain where unemployment, drugs, family breakdown was rampant and came up with the stat that 3 out of 5 kids were from homes where a parent was clinically determined as an alcoholic.

They then simply extrapolated that figure for the number of families in Britain and we ended up with a screaming tabloid headline that &#039;3 OUT OF 5 KIDS IN BRITAIN RAISED BY ALCOHOLICS&#039;.

As it happens that NGO had its funding withdrawn as they were so blatantly unscientific and basically had crossed an increasingly blurred line. You will find small, faith-based (ie Puritan) organisations feeding this kind of thing to the media all the time to fulfil their own religious agenda of promoting alarm.

I know an Irish Minister for Health went after one major drinks company in the early 2000&#039;s snorting and puffing about alcopops and young people. When it was pointed out to him that alcopops constituted (by government&#039;s own figures) only 3% of all alcohol products in Ireland he was suitably taken aback. He&#039;d had the religious nutters and the media claiming that alcopops were behind teenage drinking.

It was also pointed out to him that by far the most popular drinks among teenagers with not much money was high strength lager and cider in lite bottles. Cue one embarrassed Minister.

Alcohol is a neutral object and is to blame for nothing. Its the human that picks it up that&#039;s the problem. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear what you are saying Grandad and I agree of course that alcohol releases inhibitions and people do stupid things they would never normally do. </p>
<p>I recall reading newspaper reports of court cases when I was growing up where a defendant could plead he was drunk and got lighter treatment because of it. The logic behind that always escaped me as it still means that someone old enough to drink actually got so drunk their normal commonsense left them- that still leaves the responsibility with the defendant in my book.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just aware that with tabloid hysteria allied to the push we&#8217;ve spoken about before from the &#8216;nanny knows best&#8217; organisations in our society we could end up with a repressive mullah-like system instead of just punishing the offender we end up punishing the people who DON&#8217;T cause trouble.</p>
<p>Some years ago my favourite bunch of non-governmental puritans came up with the &#8216;passive drinking&#8217; phrase to describe family members of someone who drank- not necessarily to excess either.</p>
<p>There is a point at which these public policy debates become quite ludicrous- and substance abuse is one area where you get the disguised Puritans involved very quickly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you an example- in the 90&#8217;s a small religious based NGO in Bristol in the UK surveyed one of the worst sink estates in Britain where unemployment, drugs, family breakdown was rampant and came up with the stat that 3 out of 5 kids were from homes where a parent was clinically determined as an alcoholic.</p>
<p>They then simply extrapolated that figure for the number of families in Britain and we ended up with a screaming tabloid headline that &#8216;3 OUT OF 5 KIDS IN BRITAIN RAISED BY ALCOHOLICS&#8217;.</p>
<p>As it happens that NGO had its funding withdrawn as they were so blatantly unscientific and basically had crossed an increasingly blurred line. You will find small, faith-based (ie Puritan) organisations feeding this kind of thing to the media all the time to fulfil their own religious agenda of promoting alarm.</p>
<p>I know an Irish Minister for Health went after one major drinks company in the early 2000&#8217;s snorting and puffing about alcopops and young people. When it was pointed out to him that alcopops constituted (by government&#8217;s own figures) only 3% of all alcohol products in Ireland he was suitably taken aback. He&#8217;d had the religious nutters and the media claiming that alcopops were behind teenage drinking.</p>
<p>It was also pointed out to him that by far the most popular drinks among teenagers with not much money was high strength lager and cider in lite bottles. Cue one embarrassed Minister.</p>
<p>Alcohol is a neutral object and is to blame for nothing. Its the human that picks it up that&#8217;s the problem. </p>
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		<title>By: Grandad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grandad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jimbo - I have a big thing against alcopops, but being a Libertarian, I would be reluctant to ban them.  There is nothing in the Libertarian code to say they couldn&#039;t be taxed out of existence though?  ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimbo &#8211; I have a big thing against alcopops, but being a Libertarian, I would be reluctant to ban them.  There is nothing in the Libertarian code to say they couldn&#8217;t be taxed out of existence though?  <img src='http://www.headrambles.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alcopops should be banned - they&#039;re not proper drinks and have no place being in a proper pub.  If kids want to drink, but dont like the taste, then they should have a hot whiskey.

Bloody alcopops - hmmpphh, booze isn&#039;t blue!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alcopops should be banned &#8211; they&#8217;re not proper drinks and have no place being in a proper pub.  If kids want to drink, but dont like the taste, then they should have a hot whiskey.</p>
<p>Bloody alcopops &#8211; hmmpphh, booze isn&#8217;t blue!!</p>
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