Comments on: Silence of the wolves http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/ Rambles around the head of an Irish Grandad Thu, 09 Feb 2012 22:57:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: blackwatertown http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21676 blackwatertown Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:47:11 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21676 No, you're wrong, it's the first commandment: Whatever you say, say nothing. Anyway, doesn't that auld cardinal know that Heaven was a nightclub much favoured by the sort of person he's bar from the place in the clouds? @tt Yes, they still do sell indulgences. But these days it's known as carbon trading. Pay up so you can sin again. Or buy some carbon points so you can pollute to your heart's content. No, you’re wrong, it’s the first commandment: Whatever you say, say nothing.
Anyway, doesn’t that auld cardinal know that Heaven was a nightclub much favoured by the sort of person he’s bar from the place in the clouds?
@tt Yes, they still do sell indulgences. But these days it’s known as carbon trading. Pay up so you can sin again. Or buy some carbon points so you can pollute to your heart’s content.

]]> By: Cap'n Con http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21673 Cap'n Con Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:19:17 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21673 Good point Johnie. Comparing the Thierry Henry outrage with the whole abuse scandal and cover-up by the Kiddly Fiddler Church and you get a rare insight into the indoctrination practised on the Irish people. Name me one other private corporation who could operate in Ireland, cover up rampant child abuse among its officers and then propose cutting a deal with the government to get themselves off the hook. If it was Coca-Cola Ireland some of their executives would have been shot dead by now. But because of the superstitious brainwashing from an early age the church gets to 'negotiate' its way out of trouble. Not in my book.  Good point Johnie. Comparing the Thierry Henry outrage with the whole abuse scandal and cover-up by the Kiddly Fiddler Church and you get a rare insight into the indoctrination practised on the Irish people.

Name me one other private corporation who could operate in Ireland, cover up rampant child abuse among its officers and then propose cutting a deal with the government to get themselves off the hook.

If it was Coca-Cola Ireland some of their executives would have been shot dead by now. But because of the superstitious brainwashing from an early age the church gets to ‘negotiate’ its way out of trouble.

Not in my book. 

]]> By: johnie http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21672 johnie Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:53:59 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21672 it’s shameful how a whole nation can be in uproar over a hand ball in a football match..... but then its beyond the same people to march on the dail over the repeated stupidity of the last ten years of government, not to mention this latest disaster... it’s shameful how a whole nation can be in uproar over a hand ball in a football match….. but then its beyond the same people to march on the dail over the repeated stupidity of the last ten years of government, not to mention this latest disaster…

]]> By: not twitter http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21671 not twitter Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:33:52 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21671 Some brass balls the church has, hasn't it? Between the catholic church and the politicians you've got your work cut out down there. Trouble is I don't see anybody taking them on, neither the church or the politicians. Complaints a plenty but no-one wants to be counted, no-one wants to challenge the status quo. Why is that? Would any other country's citizens act so deferentially in the face of being shafted (no crass  pun intended) by politicians and churchmen alike and, effectively, do nothing. Unfortunately the politicians and church will continue to metaphorically rape the citizens because they know they can. They know the people will do nothing other than grumble. The politicians and the church cover each other's backs safe in the knowledge that only those in the club matter and those outside of it won't do anything other than talk anyway. The cabal carves out more and more for itself, control, money, power, at the expense of the ordinary man.  The ordinary man wilfully plays his part, he dutifully complies. Some brass balls the church has, hasn’t it?
Between the catholic church and the politicians you’ve got your work cut out down there. Trouble is I don’t see anybody taking them on, neither the church or the politicians. Complaints a plenty but no-one wants to be counted, no-one wants to challenge the status quo. Why is that? Would any other country’s citizens act so deferentially in the face of being shafted (no crass  pun intended) by politicians and churchmen alike and, effectively, do nothing.

Unfortunately the politicians and church will continue to metaphorically rape the citizens because they know they can. They know the people will do nothing other than grumble. The politicians and the church cover each other’s backs safe in the knowledge that only those in the club matter and those outside of it won’t do anything other than talk anyway. The cabal carves out more and more for itself, control, money, power, at the expense of the ordinary man.  The ordinary man wilfully plays his part, he dutifully complies.

]]> By: Cap'n Con http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21670 Cap'n Con Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:06:28 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21670 Less than 20 years ago an Opus Dei colleague of mine formed the habit of 'dropping' religious leaflets around the office until he was told to pack it in by the manager. One of the leaflets contained a list of indulgences and how much they cost. I can't remember the details now but I was left shaking my head at the gullibility of people paying for some nebulous group somewhere to pray for them. Divorce has always been available within the catholic church. Its called annulment and can really only be made available to suitable cases- ie those with the ability to pay for it. If you tried to explain the catholic church in Ireland to the proverbial man from Mars it just wouldn't be possible to answer the resulting questions.   Less than 20 years ago an Opus Dei colleague of mine formed the habit of ‘dropping’ religious leaflets around the office until he was told to pack it in by the manager.

One of the leaflets contained a list of indulgences and how much they cost. I can’t remember the details now but I was left shaking my head at the gullibility of people paying for some nebulous group somewhere to pray for them.

Divorce has always been available within the catholic church. Its called annulment and can really only be made available to suitable cases- ie those with the ability to pay for it.

If you tried to explain the catholic church in Ireland to the proverbial man from Mars it just wouldn’t be possible to answer the resulting questions.
 

]]> By: tt http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21669 tt Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:47:13 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21669 Do they still sell indulgancies? Do they still sell indulgancies?

]]> By: Grandad http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21668 Grandad Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:45:59 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21668 <p>The only way forward now is for this country to separate itself entirely from the Catholic Church.  Paisley and his crown in the North are spot on when they talk about Rome Rule, and it is time that was irrevokably stopped.  They Church should have no more influence in this country than the likes of McDonalds.</p> <p>Johnie - It really saddens me to hear of people like your mother.  My mother also was a sacrestan and heavily involved with the parish.  If she weren't dead, she'd be rolling in her grave by now.  The Church has betrayed those people in the foulest way.  There is a big backlash at the moment with people saying they will never attend mass again, but there will always be the hard core who will refuse to hear the Murphy Report.  They just cannot understand the distinction between Faith and Religion.</p> The only way forward now is for this country to separate itself entirely from the Catholic Church.  Paisley and his crown in the North are spot on when they talk about Rome Rule, and it is time that was irrevokably stopped.  They Church should have no more influence in this country than the likes of McDonalds.

Johnie – It really saddens me to hear of people like your mother.  My mother also was a sacrestan and heavily involved with the parish.  If she weren’t dead, she’d be rolling in her grave by now.  The Church has betrayed those people in the foulest way.  There is a big backlash at the moment with people saying they will never attend mass again, but there will always be the hard core who will refuse to hear the Murphy Report.  They just cannot understand the distinction between Faith and Religion.

]]> By: johnie http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21667 johnie Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:10:20 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21667 Not living in Ireland at the moment this has mostly passed me by, as the media coverage over here wouldn’t be what it is at home. Just to note I don’t attend mass or haven’t done so since I made a killing on my confirmation and got that new bike, the financial incentive was gone after that. So I discussed this the other day over the phone with my mother. To give you a little bit of insight, her two brothers are priests, she gives a huge amount of time and energy to her local church, going to mass most days and also acting as a minister of the Eucharist etc.  (quite the “holy joe” by all accounts) But after the publication of the Murphy report she has decided to my utter astonishment not to attend mass anymore, she has sworn to never support the Catholic church again. Is this the general reaction over there? I reckon it’s the only one that will work. Not living in Ireland at the moment this has mostly passed me by, as the media coverage over here wouldn’t be what it is at home. Just to note I don’t attend mass or haven’t done so since I made a killing on my confirmation and got that new bike, the financial incentive was gone after that.

So I discussed this the other day over the phone with my mother. To give you a little bit of insight, her two brothers are priests, she gives a huge amount of time and energy to her local church, going to mass most days and also acting as a minister of the Eucharist etc.  (quite the “holy joe” by all accounts) But after the publication of the Murphy report she has decided to my utter astonishment not to attend mass anymore, she has sworn to never support the Catholic church again. Is this the general reaction over there? I reckon it’s the only one that will work.

]]> By: Lafsword http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21666 Lafsword Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:06:32 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21666 Well said Grandad,   John Charles McQuaid & De Valera have an awful lot to answer for and I believe the majority of the blame for all the abuse can be laid at their doors. They insured no-one took on the Catholic Church or spoke out against them. Unmarried mothers were sent to the launderies & the children they were forced to give up were sent to the industrial schools & probably ended up being abused by these sanctimonious pricks.  This country is now in Dire need of proper leadership, it is patantly obvious that Cowen is incapable of this. Bishop Murray is in a position of authority over the schools in Limerick, this brings him into direct contact with the Department of Education, who are responsible for the safety and education of the children of this state. Bishop Murray has proven that he doesn't give a toss about children or their well being and therefore the dept should be in a position to remove him or at least publicly request he step down. At least Kenny has shown some leadership by saying all the bishops named should and must resign. Well said Grandad,  
John Charles McQuaid & De Valera have an awful lot to answer for and I believe the majority of the blame for all the abuse can be laid at their doors.

They insured no-one took on the Catholic Church or spoke out against them. Unmarried mothers were sent to the launderies & the children they were forced to give up were sent to the industrial schools & probably ended up being abused by these sanctimonious pricks. 

This country is now in Dire need of proper leadership, it is patantly obvious that Cowen is incapable of this.

Bishop Murray is in a position of authority over the schools in Limerick, this brings him into direct contact with the Department of Education, who are responsible for the safety and education of the children of this state. Bishop Murray has proven that he doesn’t give a toss about children or their well being and therefore the dept should be in a position to remove him or at least publicly request he step down.

At least Kenny has shown some leadership by saying all the bishops named should and must resign.

]]> By: Ian http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/comment-page-1/#comment-21665 Ian Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:49:02 +0000 http://www.headrambles.com/2009/12/03/silence-of-the-wolves/#comment-21665 John Cooney's excellent biography of McQuaid suggests things might have been even worse if de Valera had not shown some resistance to pressure from the Archbishop. Separation of church and state is what is needed - the opportunities for paedophiles would not have arisen if the church had never gained such a position of power.  Power that rests on notions of infallibility and absolute authority that will collapse like a house of cards if the church starts admitting things. John Cooney’s excellent biography of McQuaid suggests things might have been even worse if de Valera had not shown some resistance to pressure from the Archbishop.
Separation of church and state is what is needed – the opportunities for paedophiles would not have arisen if the church had never gained such a position of power.  Power that rests on notions of infallibility and absolute authority that will collapse like a house of cards if the church starts admitting things.

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